Anime World Order Show # 80b – Let’s News Lengthy!

The news segment for Show #80 ran long, so here it is in its own separate file. Numbered #80b because most of you guys said you didn’t mind it in our online poll. SORRY, BOSTONIANS!

In this incredibly long episode of the news, probably the longest we’ve done yet, we talk about many things, most importantly DARKSIDE BLUES has been re licensed. Also in the news, Christopher Handley is probably going to go to jail for owning a comic book, you can read some of the details here, but be warned that the article, while well written was written by guy that might have some conflicts of interest.

We also get largely pissed off at everyone over the recent leak of an episode of One Piece which seemed like a case of lax security on Funimation’s part and general internet douche-bagery on anime fans’ part, and as soon as we thought this was all over, it happened again!

In other bad news, Shojo Beat is no longer accepting subscriptions. A magazine we all thought was doing well, but was probably like Pulp, the mid-90’s manga anthology by Viz that everyone seemed to like and no one bought. Let’s hope Otaku USA can avoid such a fate. In some of our rare gaming news Tatsunoko vs. Capcom has been set for US release. This gives us a bit of hope that non-Original Generation Super Robot Wars may get a release here, which is still incredibly unlikely (PROVE ME WRONG), but we still hold out hope.

Finally, as a warning to Kenta Miura of Berserk fame, Kaoru Kurimoto has passed away, thankfully, we understand that she actually finished the core of the Guin Saga story before dying, so there will not be another Wheel of Time issue.

In some other, far less impressive news, there will be more Yamato, time will tell if it’s bad or not, there’s some BGC movie, maybe happening which I won’t even link because we don’t care about this until filming actually happens, Japan’s ban on rape games will have no effect on anything at all, and Casey Rankin, the completely fluent English language singer of the excellent Orguss Opening and Ending passed away.

Here’s the terrific opening and ending:

Next time we continue with your horribly failed experiment of choosing what other people will watch, with Gerald’s episode. Daryl will review Kekko Kamen of Go Nagai fame, Clarissa will review Butt Attack Punisher Girl Gautaman (see a trend here?) and Gerald will arguably have the hardest thing to review with Fairy Squadron Yukikaze.

151 Replies to “Anime World Order Show # 80b – Let’s News Lengthy!”

  1. Robert: The intent of my reference was to point out that furry fandom in the US–which came about at the same time as anime fandom in the US did, and as such is why many of the original US anime fans are also furries (ie Fred Patten)–which was initially somewhat innocuous was hijacked by sexual deviants long ago such that it's the beast we know of today.

    MASSIVE DERAIL IMMINENT: from the field notes of Steve Gattuso, who was there from the beginning and saw it all unfold. Shortened because full story exceeds Blogger character limit:
    ————————
    By the mid 80's, a few individuals…started holding informal gatherings at SF and comic conventions…On the West Coast, one of the main organizers for these parties was a pair of gay lovers named Mark Merlino (A.K.A. Sy Sable) and Rodney Stansfield (A.K.A. Rod O'Riley.) The parties they held were called furry parties, and very quickly the fandom started to be called furry.

    …The first real stirrings of change were around the early 90's, with the rise of the World Wide Web and easy internet access…But coupled with a rather asinine move on Mark Merlino's part, this helped cause the nightmare that Furry is today….He started inviting folks from alternative lifestyle groups to come to the con, folks who couldn't tell Donald Duck from Daffy and didn't care as long as they had a place to go and a hole to fill. At CF6 they were barely noticeable, at CF7 they were appearing all over the place and by CF8, it was not uncommon to hear idiots in the hallways having the following conversation:

    TWINK #1: What the hell is all this animal art & costumes?
    TWINK #2: Who cares? I'm here for the parties.

    …Even worse, they brought along with them a set of fetishes that would make the Marquis deSade look and go "Too sick for me, motherfuckers." Yeah, that includes a few assholes who thought it was an invitation to sleep with real animals.

    CF8 was the straw that broke a lot of camel's backs…The twinks were making a deliberate point of being obnoxious to anyone they though of as "mundane."…Many furs…wanted to break away from all the sexual material completely…But it was too late…Fursuiting, essentially cosplay in funny animal costumes, turned from being associated with innocent games into something associated with the sexual and stupid.
    ————————

    END DERAIL HERE OR DIE

  2. Daryl: As a former resident of FurryMUCK and Taps (the same way Hannibal King was a former vampire, I bet), this sounds a lot like going over old road to me.

    It also sounds a lot like anime fandom to me… All we need is a decent scapegoat to pin the blame on to replace Merlino's name, paedophilia to replace homosexuality/bisexuality and a con to place all the blame in and we'd be set.

  3. In the show you were saying how the FOTNS DVD has subtitle problems. Can you elaborate if you were serious? I don't really care about any other Fist of the North Star media mind you (the TV anime had great OPs . So great that it was even included in the Lucky Star OVA). I like the movie more as a sort of "this was the indicative violent anime of the 80's" type of thing with high production values.

    P.S. New Haruhi today! All hail Haruhi!

    P.S.S. Queen's Blade S2 HAHAHAHAHA!

  4. Speaking of the devil, that museum shooter was into child porn. But I guess being an armed neo-nazi's not as big a worry for the feds as an anime/manga fan….

    Milo: "If your response to this discussion is "what about THESE PEOPLE, they're worse than us and no one does anything about it," that demonstrates you're more interested in simply making excuses than saying anything qualitative about your fetish."

    No, I just want to know why one fetish is "better" than another.

    "
    Larry Clark's films are immune to obscenity prosecutions because you can make the case that they have politial, artistic, or social value. As for "getting hard" to them, that's not the issue here. It's not the physiological reaction that can be troublesome, it's the action that accompanies it. That's why I said specifically, if you masturbate to fictional images of children, you are probably a pedophile."

    But Larry Clark's films do feature fictional images of children; and yet you're saying that it's ok to get aroused by his stuff, because it's "artistic", but loli manga is a "gateway drug".

    Mike: "Just pick up one of the Gatchaman DVDs. Don't pretend you don't own at least a few of them. Now you will notice that it says Gatchaman is (c) 1972 Tatsunoko. ADV Films do not enter into the equation, nor does the shambling zombie ghost of Sandy Frank. Get it?"

    Yeah, but DiC(ks) enters the equation in regard to the second series.

    "In other words, negotiation with U.S. companies simply does not enter into the picture with a release like Super Robot Wars or Capcom vs Tatsunoko."

    That depends on whether or not whoever handled Tranzor Z and that "five-part" show still owns the Japanese stuff. And HG's likely to cock-block anything with Macross they don't own themselves; but then Bandai and Victor are doing the same in Japan, so…

    "When Bandai released that wretched Lupin the 3rd PS2 game, Geneon/Phuuz did not have any say."

    The Geneon staff was used for the dub, though. And that might be what TMS wanted.

    "Funimation does get involved with Dragonball Z video games, but that is because they have (very, very intelligently) negotiated for rights to help produce games based on the franchise. This strategy has made them a shitload of money."

    But if we ever wants new ports of the Famicom, Genesis, PSX, and Saturn fighting games, then we're fucked. Try asking Nintendo to put those on the VC, or Bandai to put out a collection on the DS and PSP, and see what happens.

    "World Events Productions seems to have Voltron/Golion locked down,"

    Only the original shows. Anything else means paying off Toei.

    "and Fred Ladd's Delphi Productions owns the name GIGANTOR (but not the original property, which is why we got Tetsujin 28 released under its original title while Ben Dunn drew shitty Gigantor comics)"

    I'm guessing that has more to do with the assumption that casual anime fans wouldn't watch an old show like Gigantor, anyway. And all Geneon would really need to do is connect Tetsujin to the staff involved on The Big O.

    "The reason we've gotten Capcom vs. Tatsunoko fairly easily because the characters belong to ONE company, and I'm pretty sure Capcom is basically handling everything for the localization."

    Well, that's not entirely true. Lion's Gate is still sitting on the dubbed and edited Speed Racer, while Paramount is still sitting on the dubbed and edited Casshern. And Manga got that new one from the company, while Imagi has the LA rights to Gatchman. My guess is the real reason Capcom got the game over here is that those titles in question are, once again, niche to contemporary audiences, and the licensors feels the game would be a big boost for their respective properties.

  5. "No, I just want to know why one fetish is "better" than another. "

    I've already explained what sets this particular fetish apart and separate from others. I DON'T KNOW if the loli fetish is any more dangerous than other fetishes; I simply recognize that there is a controversial aspect to it not inherent to other fetishes, and I am somewhat disgusted that any attempt to discuss that fact is always met with the sort of evasive behavior you're exhibiting right now.

    Trying to say that it's all just a wash, and that all fetishes are equal, is either irresponsible or moronic, for the reasons I've probably explained three times at least.

  6. How's this for an answer on why people don't like to say that some of the lolicon crowd are sort of creepy, Milo?

    People fapping to "manga with 8 year old girls with 100 tits growing dicks spewing" squick me right the f— out. I think it's creepy as hell.

    But, I nevertheless hold a position that people shouldn't go to jail for drawings and stories no matter how disgusting I personally think they are. It's not really for these people's sake. It's because I honestly believe in slippery slopes — If some prosecutor or judge in Iowa, Utah, or Alabama wants to look "tough on kiddie porn," and drape themselves in "family values," and while they'd rather prosecute that shit, they'll settle for prosecuting Kodomo no Jikan, or if they don't have that handy, maybe they move up to the Utena movie, or maybe if they don't have that, they move to damn Evangelion. And I want a sharp bright line there. I don't want someone facing the possibility of having to spend many thousands of dollars for the mere chance to convince a jury of Alabama evangelical Christians that Utena or Evangelion have artistic value, or else face decades in a prison system that a civilized people should be ashamed of. I want laws and precedents that can't be interpreted that way.

    Therefore, the last thing I want to talk about is the creeps. It emotionally distracts me from the principle, and it emotionally distracts others from the principle. It's like the question of allowing the Ku Klux Klan to march. The more I focus on what scum they are, the harder is is to remember the principles of free speech and free assembly, and the easier it is to make just this one exception because these people are outside the pale. But it's never just one exception.

    So, yeah, the reason I talk about the principle and not the creep is because I don't like the creep. Letting him go is the shit sandwich I have to eat to keep the important part. And I really don't want to dwell on the taste any more than I have to.

  7. I agree with everything said in the above post by Some old nobody.

    "But Larry Clark's films do feature fictional images of children; and yet you're saying that it's ok to get aroused by his stuff, because it's "artistic", but loli manga is a "gateway drug"."

    No, that's not what I'm saying at all. If you were to masturbate to Larry Clark's films, specifically to fictional depictions of teenagers or children having sex, then the same definition applies. Sexual arousal is an unconscious physical response; masturbation is a conscious choice to act upon that response. Don't tell me you can't appreciate the difference between the two.

  8. Goober: That's bullshit. Why are you more likely to be a pedophile, just because you jerk off to something, but not solely because it turns you on?

  9. Wow. And with that, we just left orbit. Anon, you need to go back up and reread everything Goober wrote, because you totally missed it. Do it out loud with someone else in the room to help you. As for me, I'm officially exhausted and completely done with this. Bet everyone else is, too.

  10. VZ said…
    I don't have much to add. I think the whole Handley case is fucked up just because we're all moral panic alarmists when is comes to the safety of children.

    Stuff like that makes you want to leave the country doesn't it!

    You guys didn't talk about the shitty pay animators in japan get or the poll Funimation did for what current anime they should licensed.

    Ugh, don't even bother!

    Gilles Poitras said…
    Also folks need to remember, as you pointed out, that these charges apply to any character under the age of 18. So May's blow job in v.1 of Gunsmith Cats is problematic as is damn near any erotic anime and manga released in the US.

    You see why it came back to bite us in the ass!

    Gooberzilla said…
    Under the letter of the law, just about anything that fails the three-pronged obscenity test could land you in jail, even materials that are legally released in the United States.

    Minmei is supposedly 19 years old in that scene, but good luck trying to prove that to an unsympathetic jury.

    Welcome to the U.S. of A.!

    Let this be a lesson to all of you!

    Brack said…
    On Tatsunoko rights: it looks like the rights for Battle of the Planets may have expired.

    I've heard of that too. Apparently Sandy Frank has no say i it now, thank GOD!

    Anonymous said…
    Goober: Perhaps, but are they really going to go after someone who buys "The Aristocrats" through Amazon? I think they only went after Handley, because he was in one of those Bible Belt states, where anything foreign in the mail is automatically viewed as a terrorist threat. [At least I hope that's the case.] Christ, that guy who got jailed for selling the Urotsukidoji comic to an adult should have his case appealed on the same legal basis as a court finally overturning Texas ban on vibrators.

    Didn't know they were illegal down there! I learned something today!

    Daryl Surat said…
    And Iowa's not part of the Bible Belt. It's part of the Grain Belt or whatever they call it. North Florida is definitely part of the Bible Belt, but the region of Florida we inhabit is considered exempt from this as it's the sole member of the "Men Who Wear White Belts" belt. Okay, that's actually a 15 year-old joke from Almost Live! which I can't personally vouch for. WHATEVER.

    I loved that show, fine Seattle comedy!

    Thanks for that Godzilla story Tim, I needed a good laugh today!

    But this is a podcast about Japanese moving pictures, so why am I getting into all that?

    We have to! We have the right to bitch wherever we want!

    This fandom has gone from a society for the promotion of japanese cartoons to trying to defend simulated rape and virtual child porn. Cries of moe = hooray, I'm a low status male who feels empowered by masturbating to disgusting things.

    Now you see why some of us want to get out!

    Steve Harrison said…
    Wah, don't get sucked into the 'Left Vs. Right' game on this. Recall it was Tipper Gore who pushed the labeling of music and videogames to 'protect the children'.

    Thank you Tippy! 🙁

    And if you're specifically seeking out this kind of material just to piss people off, and not because it fulfills some sort of sexual fetish, may I humbly suggest you find a more constructive hobby, one that couldn't result in federal obscenity prosecutions?

    Like making pot holders!

    Daryl Surat said…
    Robert: The intent of my reference was to point out that furry fandom in the US–which came about at the same time as anime fandom in the US did, and as such is why many of the original US anime fans are also furries (ie Fred Patten)–which was initially somewhat innocuous was hijacked by sexual deviants long ago such that it's the beast we know of today.

    People need to be reminded there was a time when both Anime and Furry fandom were nearly one!

  11. I did read Goober's argument. He/she said that Clark's films are "artistic", even though they tend to go overboard in their depiction of "virtual child porn". So, because it's artistic, it's ok to get turned on by it, even if the sexual situations also involve people who resemble minors? I'm just curious, since, if I were a parent, I sure as fuck wouldn't want a guy like Larry Clark with a camera near my kids!

    But at the same time, I'm being told a guy or gal who doesn't do that kind of a crap with a camera, but with a pen and paper, is the real threat. And if that's the case, well, why does no one bat an eye at Welcome to the NHK, even though it clearly treads into the same territory, regardless of whether or not it's ironic? Who knows how many otaku interpret that series as a "love letter", rather than a "wake-up call"? But no one questions the intentions of creator of NHK or Clark, even though their "imaginations" aren't exactly clean. Meanwhile, anyone who watches or reads this stuff is automatically subject to scrutiny.

    Anyway, I'm just saying you can't have it both ways. You either argue that that shit is art, or "wannabe" child porn. And if you're going to say the former, then you can't tell me that anyone who gets turned on from it is a deviant, because you've argued that it's, at the very least, as acceptable as regular porn.

  12. Oh, fuck it. Just erase my last rant. As Tim pointed out, I misinterpreted what Goober said. Sorry about that one.

  13. (This is arromdee. Am at work and forgot my password…)

    To the person who suggested that people who cannot access Funimation due to being in the wrong country use a proxy to fake a country: Sure, you can do it, but it's illegal. You're intentionally trying to copy something that the owners told you (by virtue of being in the wrong country) not to copy. If you're willing to do that, you may as well just get an equally illegal fansub instead.

    About Fist of the North Star: there was some talk on Anime on DVD and a guy put up a web page. Examples included a place where the name of an attack was translated as "Nanto can't be harmed" and another where "brother" was consistently translated as "Master". See here.

    I really do hope we get a fuller review of this on the show, however. There don't seem to be a lot of independent complaints about the subtitles; all the complaints seem to be copies of this one source.

  14. I really do hope we get a fuller review of this on the show, however. There don't seem to be a lot of independent complaints about the subtitles; all the complaints seem to be copies of this one source.

    For what it's worth Ken, we met once very briefly at AWA about ten years ago: I had you sign my program guide because I was getting assorted regular attendees to sign it instead of guests…though I confess to knowing at the time that you were the guy who wrote the alt.fan.sailor-moon FAQ.

    Anyway, I have never seen that page you linked to in my life until you just posted it a few minutes ago. But I can guarantee you that "Hokuto Kenshin" is frequently used in that subtitle script, and I will note that all of those screencaps appear to be legit ones.

  15. (Arromdee again)

    I must admit I only very vaguely remember being asked to sign something. I think my reaction was something like "Uhh, people are making this out to be a bigger deal than it really is".

    I wasn't skeptical about that Fist of the North Star page because I thought the screenshots were faked. It's just that some of the errors seemed to be translation style choices or unintentionally funny lines taken out of context. It wasn't clear what the proportion was of these compared to real errors like the Kenshin one.

  16. arromdee, KentaiFilms is an extremely reliable source. He's not just some "guy", he's a genuinely awesome guy who spends enormous chunks of his life translating and beautifying crappily authored anime for fans of some of the best stuff ever.

    Just throwing that out there, because his (qualified) opinion carries a lot of weight in many circles. Honestly, it told me everything I needed to know about the HnK release. That won't stop me from buying it, however.

  17. "In other bad news, Shojo Beat is no longer accepting subscriptions. A magazine we all thought was doing well, but was probably like Pulp, the mid-90's manga anthology by Viz that everyone seemed to like and no one bought."

    It probably did better than Pulp, but came out at the tail end of the manga(particularly shojo manga) boom; so it was never going to be as big as Jump. Plus, like Animerica Extra, Watase was the only big name in it again. But, like Raijin, SB had much more diverse and interesting content than SJ. Anyway, 40,000 fan-girl subscribers[Assuming they're all fan-girls.] is still probably higher than it would've been 10 years ago. And considering teen girls like to jump ship from one fad to another more than guys, the fact that Viz is still able to make money off the TPBs[Again, assuming they're making money.] is pretty impressive.

    "Finally, as a warning to Kenta Miura of Berserk fame, Kaoru Kurimoto has passed away,"

    Speaking of Berserk, I like how the recent U.S. volume has Puck "cosplaying" as the manager from Ashita No Joe. It's been a while since Miura had this kind of fun with the series.

  18. The more your opinions on virtual child porn defer from those of human rights organizations, funded by politicians and millions of people worldwide, the more attention you'll get. Pretty soon anime isn't just going to be "just cartoons" and not worth the attention of people outside that fandom, it will be correlated with a host of societal problems.

    It's happening right now and I applaud it.

  19. ^I would love to rant about human rights organizations and how they're full of extremely good intentions but often offer an extremely poor diagnosis of the real problems, resulting in very few actual changes or viable solutions regardless of their efforts, but that would be too off-topic.

    What I will say is that even if you blacklisted all sexualized anime from civilized society because of its real or imagined effects, due to the actions of individuals such as Handley, the underlying social problems will still not be resolved. People take refuge in such things because their lives, personalities and families are inherently flawed. That's the real issue.

  20. "I would love to rant about human rights organizations and how they're full of extremely good intentions but often offer an extremely poor diagnosis of the real problems, resulting in very few actual changes or viable solutions regardless of their efforts, but that would be too off-topic."

    No, actually it wouldn't be off topic.

    Share why you believe the bias you have based on your cartoons stands up to the reasonable arguments presented by child welfare and human rights organizations.

  21. I fail to see what child welfare and human rights organizations have to do with lines drawn on pieces of paper.

    Are you seriously suggesting that child welfare and human rights organizations posit a causal relationship between works of fiction and criminal acts? That pornography leads to sexual assault? That violent entertainment leads to real life acts of violence?

  22. Yeah consumption of violent pornography actually does correlate with a diminished perception of women as equal human beings, that's a bit of the point of women's studies over the last few decades.

    I'm glad the guy was intercepted by a postal employee before he fucked some little cousin of his or something. Exactly because kids are part of the most vulnerable members of our society and crimes against them are among the least reported.

  23. "Share why you believe the bias you have based on your cartoons stands up to the reasonable arguments presented by child welfare and human rights organizations."

    Well, no one ever actually blew up a building or raped anyone after watching Fritz the Cat, so…

    "Yeah consumption of violent pornography actually does correlate with a diminished perception of women as equal human beings"

    That must be why fundy Islamic countries which ban porn treat women with the utmost respect. Oh, wait!

    "I'm glad the guy was intercepted by a postal employee before he fucked some little cousin of his or something."

    And I'm glad that hypothetical bomb the employee could've been looking for instead managed to get through inspections. But who the hell really cares if the next Tim McVeigh gets his easy-to-assemble-and-hide high-powered rifle and scope delivered to his house? We managed to nail a perp for smuggling a drawing into the country, and saved the children in the process!

    Doesn't matter that he's never actually been proven to molest children, mind you. We know exactly what he's going to do next, based on what he reads. After all, look how many crimes were committed in the 50s and 60s from Mad Magazine and Tales from the Crypt. They were right to try to ban it, too.

  24. "Yeah consumption of violent pornography actually does correlate with a diminished perception of women as equal human beings, that's a bit of the point of women's studies over the last few decades."

    I said pornography, not violent pornography. Violent pornography is a small subset of a much larger genre. But as long as we're at it, what else should we ban? Group sex pornography? Costume play? BDSM? Gay pornography?

    I've read writings by feminists that were both against and in favor of pornography, so it isn't safe to say there is only a single reigning opinion on its effects.

    And finally, correlation is not the same as causation. In Seduction of the Innocent, Fredric Wertham noted a correlation between troubled teenagers and comic book reading. This does not prove that reading comic books makes teenagers into criminals. Likewise, just because serial murderers and rapists often exhibit an interest in violent pornography does not mean that the pornography is causing their aberrent, anti-social behavior.

    Let's face it, fiction – especially erotic or violent fiction – is always someone's buggerboo. There are people that believe that works of art somehow have the magic ability to warp the minds of their viewers, to goad them into criminal acts, etc. I think such a belief is backward and superstitious. Consuming lolicon artwork may make a person a pedophile, but it doesn't necessarily imply that they are a child molester and a danger to the community. Until it proves a danger to someone, a sexual fetish is just a thought. And people shouldn't go to prison for a thought.

  25. No one cares what your cartoon fandom-oriented bias is since laws concerning this seem to be tightening with increased awareness of its existence. I'm not arguing with you, I'm making fun of you.

    Meanwhile 2/3rds of sex offenders in prisons have used a child.

    And

    1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
    1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.

    With this in mind proponency of the magnitude seen in anime fans either marks fetishism or total detachment from the real world. Or both. That is why no one does or will ever take you seriously. Ever.

  26. I would have a great deal more confidence in this whole discussion if the anonymous option wasn't being so abused. I know it's a tricky thing to block anon posts (DO NOT want to shut out Carl Horn's wisdom and stuff!) but it's getting silly now.

    Altho the days of HAVING to have a Blogger account to post are gone, that Name/URL button works for ANYBODY, and you don't even need to link a URL, so, just saying.

    I kinda get the whiff of Troll now.

  27. >Meanwhile 2/3rds of sex offenders in prisons have >used a child.

    >And

    >1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
    >1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18.

    Again with the moral panic alarmist media hype BS.

    Statistics like that are generally fudged mainly do to the media hyped about "evil child predators lurking at every corner. Be afraid". They do that to scare people.

    And you're right, Otaku such as ourself don't give a shit about the real world.

  28. Didn't know the Orguss composer was genuinely Anglo. I thought he was just imitating what was popular at the time. But man, they really don't make that kind of music on either side of the Pacific. J-pop killed the funk in Japan, while Lilith Fair, Jive Records, and Canadian and Europop killed music in general in the States.

  29. I should probably give credit where credit is due. I likely wouldn't have known about the Orguss singer dying if Eeeper hadn't talked about it. I'm now somewhat curious is he ever did any more Anime music since I haven't found him involved in anything else other then Orguss.

  30. Speaking of gaijin who hang out doing music in Japan, AWO should interview Kevin Kmetz one of these days. He's got some sweet anime theme song covers on Youtube.

  31. "Statistics like that are generally fudged mainly do to the media hyped about "evil child predators lurking at every corner. Be afraid". They do that to scare people."

    It's taken from a .gov website.

    "And you're right, Otaku such as ourself don't give a shit about the real world."

    Judging from the comments, yes, I'd say so.

  32. "24-25% is uniformly reported for women and in other studies males have varied greatly. Of course who am I kidding, if every kid was raped before the age of 18 you'd still be a whiny creep about the sarcosanctity of pedophilia."

    Anonymous has over 9000 penises, and they are all raping children.

  33. "if every kid was raped before the age of 18 you'd still be a whiny creep about the sarcosanctity of pedophilia."

    That's totally fucking disingenuous! My issue is where do you take this kind of argument that Handley should be arrested next? Does that mean any science teacher in a public school who discusses sex ed could be construed as soliciting sexual favors from minors? Also, your link does not include your prior statistics. More importantly, though, it does not cite a connection between reading drawings and abuse.

  34. There's a problem with the statistics being thrown around recently by one of the Anonymous in these comments.

    "1 in 4 girls is sexually abused before the age of 18.
    1 in 6 boys is sexually abused before the age of 18."

    Let's just assume that these statistics are 100% true. No arguing, no questioning whether the US government made any mistakes. Roughly 1 out of 5 children are sexually abused.

    Now then, what does this have to do with a guy like Christopher Handley, who has absolutely no real child pornography in his possession and for that matter was never found to have actually sexually abused any children?

    I will agree that those statistics are fitting with the context of this conversation, but the mere usage of statistics is not enough to support your point when it is not directly relevant to the case at hand. I can say that there's a 50% divorce rate in America and be right about that, but what real relevance would it have if, say, the discussion was about first dates? Perhaps some of those first dates would eventually lead to marriage, which then might turn sour and lead to divorce.

    You can throw actual real numbers around, but all you're doing with them is creating smokescreen, and trying to act as if your disgust is enough to distract from the fact that your argument requires that a direct link to lolicon and those 1 in 5 child abuse cases to be found, and more importantly for Handley to be a potential example of this.

    So maybe Handley could potentially be a pedophile and child abuser. It turns out he's not, but he might be some day, is what you seem to be saying.

    And thus you are trying to punish a man for crimes he MIGHT commit eventually, when there is no record or evidence of him abusing any children.

    And if you can't see what's wrong with that, there's no helping you.

  35. Anyway, I love the double standard. Handley's a pedo, but that guy who'd normally be in prison for dating someone almost ten years his junior gets a pass, just because he's with Hannah what's-her-face.

  36. I'm not joking, by the way. Anyone who looks at lolicon is a disgusting monster on par with the nastiest and most latently violent of racists morally speaking.

    Except it's with children and not black people.

  37. That must be why fundy Islamic countries which ban porn treat women with the utmost respect. Oh, wait!

    Now that makes me laugh!

    And you're right, Otaku such as ourself don't give a shit about the real world.

    Reasons to think about quitting while you're still alive!

  38. And the child pron controversy bandwagon keeps rolling on…

    There was a conference about the controversy held rrecently, attended by the Japanese political parties and several speakers. The statements given by a representative of the Liberal Democratic Party is just ridiculous:

    Any film, book or photo that contains a nude person under 18, regardless of artistic merit, should be thrown away.

    A certain popular gravure book should be child porn because the photo shoot was two months before the model's 18th birthday.

    If somebody in porn looks young and is wearing a school uniform, then it's child porn.

    A singer of Johnny's going barechested is child porn too.

    (Musical break: "Have a banana!")

    The police are all nice people who won't step on any toes making arrests.

    And so on and so forth.

    If any of these statements make it into law, then the Japanese goverment is a joke. That's just my opinion and all, but this is so farcial, I don't believe that any Japanese would really take it seriously.

  39. Nice segment btw.
    I’m not going to touch this conversation whit a 10 feet pole…
    It´s like dropping a clown pistol in a room whit monkeys.
    (There will be blood)

    Keep up the nice podcast and cheers from Sweden.

  40. "A certain popular gravure book should be child porn because the photo shoot was two months before the model's 18th birthday."

    Yes it's not like that ridiculous law would abolish porn shoots featuring people who are nowhere near 18.

  41. "Yes it's not like that ridiculous law would abolish porn shoots featuring people who are nowhere near 18."

    It might drive Johnny's Entertainment out of business, though…

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